Tell me again why we don’t need feminism.
this is so fucking gross
but is this bra available for purchase tho
she wears short skirts, I wear t-shirts
she’s cheer captain and I respect her right to wear whatever she wants and participate in traditionally ‘feminine’ activities because I understand that life is not about condemning another woman’s personal choices just because she doesn’t ‘deserve’ the boy i have a crush on
that’s incorrect, the correct lyrics are “and I’m on the bleachers”
That’s the radio edit.
I’m on the bleachers
Watching her cos she is super hot and kind of making me question my sexuality even though we both like the same boy which is even more confusing maybe they are interested in a threesome oh wait I am cripplingly shy.
• a transphobic woman is not a feminist
• a racist woman is not a feminist
• a homophobic woman is not a feminist
• exclusionary feminism is not feminism
A bigoted feminist is a feminist, just a shitty feminist that needs to be called out. Don’t you dare write off the bigotry within our own movement as “not real feminism” and therefore “not our problem”, it needs to be rooted out just as much as it does from the rest of society.
Gonna keep a tally of messages I get from a) white feminists completely proving my point and b) people who think this comic proves feminism is worthless because I criticized one part of it. (Even despite me writing these words underneath the comic.) Then I’ll add them all up, see which column has more, and then drink myself to sleep either way.
Haha… this is why we can’t have nice things.
It has to be something we create and purchase for. Art by women, design by women, architecture by women, books by women, comics by women, magazines by women, and writing and art that does not support bad old stereotypes. And not just women of your own color. Trans women, LBQ women, WoallCs. Experiment. Venture. Try.
Don’t trash talk other women; talk them up. Support women who have been victimized. Don’t be part of the problem. Disagree, yes, but with respect. If other women behave badly, walk away.
Normalize fat women’s bodies. Normalize public breastfeeding. Normalize home births and midwives and reproductive autonomy. Normalize body hair on women.
Reject the notion that women are to be regulated and controlled and pressured to conform to societal standards.
By the 1900s, women had been campaigning for the right to vote for nearly half a century. In 1903, the Women’s Social and Political Union (WSPU) was founded in Manchester, breathing new life into the suffragette movement and fighting for the rights of all women, regardless of their nationality.
Although British women were perceived as the weaker sex, they were also labelled as morally superior to men, making them the logical choice to raise children and care for the home. Inevitably, feminists were accused of neglecting their nurturing duties during their public struggle for equality. Their response to this was to find a cause that would emphasise their moral high ground, giving them a plausible reason to fight for their rights.
Asian women filled this niche.
During this tumultuous time and at the height of British colonisation, many Asian women found themselves adrift within British society. Most had entered the country on ships employed by English families as ayahs (nannies) and, once they’d served their few weeks at sea, were dismissed, expected to survive on their own. Securing passage back to India was seasonal and often difficult especially during wartime, leaving hundreds of young women stranded far from home.
Many British high society feminists voiced concerns for their Indian sisters, regarding them as passive victims. Their mission was to rescue these perceived objects of pity and misfortune. This concept was not limited to the stranded ayahs in Britain but was generalised to include the oppressed women still in Asia.
A gradual change in this compassionate but superior attitude came about as Asian women grew stronger and more outspoken, not only in Britain but also in India. By 1905, Asian women were emerging to show public support of various political activities and the exploitation of women and their traditional roles were challenged.
Reporter: So, why do you write these strong female characters?
Joss Whedon: Because you’re still asking me that question.
The question should be “Why do you write seemingly strong women and then punish them for that strength?” I see a lot of characters in this set who got shit on by Joss not to mention at least one actress he fired for the crime of getting pregnant.
A friend of mine likes to challenge “Joss Whedon, Feminist” acolytes to name a female character on Buffy who doesn’t die or go crazy.
I feel like this game could be expanded to find lead female characters who don’t die, go crazy, or lose a loved one in a gruesome way as part of their suffering. Bonus points if they get to the end without anyone threatening to rape them or trying to rape them. There has to be at least one right?
If we include those, we may as well be playing bingo. Joss Whedon’s female characters’ punishments: collect them all!
Who gets mind wiped? Who gets beaten? Who watches everything she ever loved burn? It’s a game for all ages! Bonus points for the ones who die without ever having gotten to live!
I might have feelings about Kendra. A lot of them.
Goddamit, and now I feel compelled to do an actual tally of his original female characters, albeit offhand and from memory. So:
Buffy the Vampire Slayer
Buffy - two deaths, one rape threat, one attempted rape, two sexual assaults, one dead parent.
Willow - one rape threat, two breaks with sanity, one dead girlfriend.
Cordelia - damselled about a billion times, one attempted forced marriage.
Anya - one rape threat, dead.
Tara - dead.
Kendra - dead.
Faith - multiple breaks with sanity.
Ms Calender - dead.
Joyce - dead.
Dawn - one attempted forced marriage, one dead parent.
Darla - dead.
Drusilla - multiple breaks with sanity.
Cordelia - two forced impregnations, at least one sexual assault, at least one attempted rape, dead.
Fred - one attempted rape, multiple breaks with sanity, dead.
Lilah - one rape threat, dead.
Darla - multiple breaks with sanity, dead.
Drusilla - multiple breaks with sanity.
Illyria - multiple breaks with sanity.
Faith - multiple breaks with sanity.
Kaylee - one rape threat.
River - multiple breaks with sanity.
Zoe - one dead husband.
Inara - one threat of sexual assault.
As none of the Actives are capable of informed consent, pretty much every sexual interaction they have while on assignment constitutes rape or assault, even though the narrative only flags Sierra’s experiences as such. So, yeah. Also, I never saw S2, so can’t speak to what happened at that point.
Reblogging again for commentary.
fuck Joss Whedon
We forgot the multiple references to Inara by the “hero” as “whore,” and Kendra’s posturing as Slayer “sex slave”.
Um, gals? Geez, I’m all for critically examining portrayals of females in media, but there are so many things off with this thread. For one thing, you have no set definition of what constitutes a badly-written female character here and are constantly moving the goalposts, counting everything from death to mental troubles to attempted rape to attempted forced marriage to insults because of the character’s occupation to the character’s SO dying? (Hey, remember all those stories where women regularly get fridged so a male character can be broken up about it? Why on Earth would it be a bad thing for the reverse to happen for a change?)
And all of that with very little context. I’ve only seen Firefly (and Dollhouse, but it’s been ages and I don’t remember much) so I’ll comment on that, but Inara being called a whore? Really? This is in the setting where prostitution has been legalised and (government-educated) prostitutes are considered the cream of the crop in terms of social standing. Mal is literally the only character, (aside from the jackass villain in Shindig) to have such a backwater view of Inara’s profession. She gives him shit about it, the rest of the cast gives him shit about it, at no point are his views portrayed as anything but a buffoon’s.
And say what you will about Kaylee’s threatened rape scene, but it was written 300% more true to life than the vast majority of them. It was entirely an exercise of power by an ice-cold, calculating, psychopathic headhunter who did it for no other reason than to chain her up a lot more securely than he could with physical restraints. It wasn’t bullshit about uncontrollable lust and desire for sex, it had nothing to do with the way she was dressed or was acting, it was used as a weapon just the way it’s so often used in real life, a tool to punish and control women and chain them up.
And hell, if you’re going to mention Zoe and how her husband dies and leaves her morning, you’re also gonna have to mention the fact that he, you know, dies. And the part where he and Mal get tortured. And the two separate occasions when Simon gets shot, And the part where Book gets shot on one occasion, and dies on another. Or the part where Mal gets stabbed repeatedly with a sword.
Yes, rape and threats thereof is still something that happens to female characters (although I actually can’t remember any apart from where it was threatened with Kaylee) and that’s a problem, and unrealistic to boot, but sometimes, a long list of violent shit happening to female characters is more indicative of the setting and plot being gruesome and violent and less of the treatment of women specifically.
And I haven’t watched Buffy, but with the titular character and a big portion of the ever-changing main cast being women… it’s a long-running show with the premise of fighting supernatural shit. I kind of doubt the female characters there go through worse shit than the main cast of Supernatural during its run and the incessant cycle of death, resurrection, horrific trauma, characters going darkside and crazy, characters losing everyone they care about, characters being tortured in literal Hell for decades. Yes, the rape thing is still exclusively female, but even SPN veers in that direction with Sam and Ruby. (I say ‘veers’ because it’s not really acknowledge on screen as noncon, clearly any sex you have with your drug dealer when you’re a junkie is dubcon at best.)
There’s a lot of room for improvement, but Whedon still writes realistic and diverse female characters, not the hundreds of cookie-cutter sexy badass killer Ms. Fanservice “strong female characters” the rest of the industry is intent on serving us. Again, I’m only really familiar with Firefly, but the points made against it here seem so utterly removed from context and missing the aspect that it’s a genre thing rather than specifically a female thing. To wit, it’s unscientific.
On the subject of SPN and rape: there have been several occasions where Dean has drawn the unwanted sexual desires of the Bad Guy. I can’t recall all of them, but I think there was an interview somewhere that stated that they’ve done that on purpose with him several times? Hell if I can remember where that is either, though, so I could be mistaken. Either way, one of the main dudes suffers multiple rape threats.
Now that you mention it… actually, yeah, and not just threats. I forget his name - Alastair, I think? The demon who tortures Dean in Hell makes some very thinly-veiled references to sexually assaulting him in that time, too, and the same goes for Sam and Lucifer during their time in the cage.
My friend and I were talking the other day about how feminists on here whine that “Women are discouraged from X and they are discouraged from Y” then for some reason they equate that to oppression.
For example. A lot of people on here are like “If feminists want there to be more female doctors, then they should get medical degrees”
Then feminists are like “WOMEN ARE DISCOURAGED FROM THOSE OCCUPATIONS! OPPRESSION! PATRIARCHY!”
And my friend was like “That’s not oppression, just don’t listen to those people” and that’s exactly the point. You know how many times in my life I was told “Girls don’t do that” or “Girls don’t like X subject” and I learned about it anyway? Well I’m not in jail am I? There were no charges pressed, I was never banned from taking those classes or learning that skill. Sure people gave me shit about it but I still did it. Discouragement doesn’t equate to oppression yet some how feminists are so weak they think someone saying “Girls can’t do that” is an actual law that was laid down.
If women are SO WEAK that all it takes for them NOT to go into medicine/science/engineering is for people to say “GIRLS CAN’T DO THAT” then what the fuck is all this “Strong women” crap that feminist promotes. It’s like literally a small string of words can prevent you from doing something you claim you want to do and if that’s the case “TUMBLR ISN’T FOR WOMEN YOU NEED TO GET OFF THIS WEBSITE! I AM DISCOURAGING YOU FROM USING IT!” See my point?
It’s not oppression if you can be a STRONG INDEPENDENT THINKER and just IGNORE the discouragement. Feminists YOU are the problem, not the rest of the world or the patriarchy you made up.
We need to talk about socialization.
See, this isn’t about instances where one time one person was like “hey! You shouldn’t do this thing.” And it just totally crushes your dreams.
It’s about how over years and years, young children are taught by the adults around them that they can or can not do certain things, they are praised for some behaviors, and punished for others, sometimes in incredibly subtle and damaging ways. It is about how children learn, through observing and interacting with others, what is expected of them during their formative years.
We aren’t talking about fully grown, independent, confidant women being turned away from passions by a single comment. We’re talking about CHILDREN being systematically socialized with gendered expectations.
This is basic psychology. Here’s some basic reading on the concept of socialization.
It amazes me how quickly antifeminists turn vehement and hateful against women with specific views when they have so little understanding of the very arguments they use.
Certainly, there will always be people who, even as children and even in the absence of empowering upbringing, will be incredibly strongheaded and strongwilled. But on the whole, for every ten girls who are mocked for taking an interest in ‘male’ professions, more than a few will be turned away from them at one point or another. Whether it’s from performance anxiety resulting from the negative stereotypes - a well-documented problem - or from the lack of support from mentors they receive, you’d have to be heartless to blame children for not all, down to the last person, having the courage to fight the system.
Not to mention that it’s not even about discouragement as it is about outright barriers for women in these areas. You can have all the determination in the world, it’s not going to do you a lick of good if your superior chooses the male candidate over you because he or she is soaking in unquestioned misogyny.
Finally did a proper comic about “strong female characters” Its good comics and cartoons are finally representing some diversity. But most cartoons are still with a male lead, and films mostly are the worst example of strong females etc. (Although sarcastic mean girls are a special love of mine provided they are at least sort of decently written)
ALSO please note I am using examples based on stuff I like, its hardly the end all be all of character examples. There is a ton of current and not current stuff I could have used. But an excuse to draw characters I like is aesthetic and preference. (also I really liked Pacific rim so theres that.)
I feel this is very important.
It’s been apparent to me for a while that most men can’t really imagine “equality.” All they can imagine is having the existing power structure inverted.
I cannot decide whether this shows how unimaginative they are, or shows how aware they must be of what they do in order to so deeply fear having it turned on them.
if you don’t think wonder woman is feminist I’m not sure you know very much about wonder woman
(re: this for anyone confused)
(◕‿◕✿) facts about divorce for feminists and MRAs:
- in most (51%) of cases, both parents decided on their own (out of court) that the mother was to receive full custody
- in 29% of custody cases, the decision was made without any third party involvement
- in 91% of cases, the decision for the mother to have custody was made without court involvement
- of those who go to court, 70% of men who seek custody of their child receive it
- of those 70%, 1/3 of the cases cited domestic abuse as part of the reason for divorce
- women who mention having been victims of domestic abuse in court are less likely to receive custody of their children than women who didn’t
i’m tired of seeing posts on feminism by both feminists and MRAs citing “gender bias in custody cases” as a problem we need to solve. women aren’t unfairly receiving custody more often. abusive men are unfairly receiving custody.
the fact is, if my dad had actually attended his court ordered anger management type classes, i would legally have been required to spend a portion of my time with him until i turned 18, even though he beat my mother and abused me.
don’t let anyone make you think that the scale isn’t still tipped toward men in a court of law.